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    Richard Greenwald @richardgreenwald
    My Robox is a Blue Commercial Version

    Does anyone know how to eliminate the filament slippage error once and for all? ABS or PLA it doesn’t matter, ever since the latest update of Automaker, it shows up in every print. I have taken the extruder apart many times, cleaned the teeth from filament, experimented with the tension springs on the teeth, cleaned off excessive grease out of the worm gear drive, I can’t figure it out. PLA is the worst of the two, with the filament not ejecting, with the motor grinding noise, had to take the extruder apart and heat the head to get it out. I can’t figure it out mechanically, the only other thing that I can think it might be is software. Anyone know anything?

    On another note, with this update of Automaker, every time I try to create a custom profile, everything is grayed out and I can not enter anything, any help would be appreciated.

    #15724
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    click @click
    My Robox is a Green Kickstarter Limited Edition

    If you’ve done everything (and checked extruder’s case for cracks) then next port of call is opening ticket to CEL.

    As for AM - you need to figure out how and when. I am with you regarding that one - some things are far from logical - exactly as you explained it. I don’t have it with me here, but from memory I think the easiest is to select ‘Custom’ profile from slider (‘Draft’, ‘Normal’, ‘Fine’, ‘Custom’), select create new profile and then you’ll have another popup which will have enabled fields. And if you want to change it - you need to select it from list of profiles below mentioned slider and you’ll be able to edit it. Or, at least, something close to that. At the place you would expect logically to be able to change it - it stays greyed out…

    #15733

    Richard Greenwald @richardgreenwald
    My Robox is a Blue Commercial Version

    Thanks Click, there are no cracks in the casings, the only other thing that it could be, besides a programing issue, would be a bad stepper motor, but unfortunately, trying to get anything out of CEL-Robox is very untimely, and since they’ve switched from getting anything direct from the UK, to distributors, there is no way to get extra parts here in the US. As to putting in a ticket, I’ve put in 3 tickets in the past, 2 of which have been replied to only after I sent a private message to their Facebook page, and 1 from January is still unanswered.

    As to the Automaker custom profile, no matter what I do, everything is still grayed out, and unable to change anything. I did not have this problem in the older versions of Automaker. I do see that Automaker 1.00 is still available to download. I am going to try going back to the older version, when none of this happened, and see if it is a programming issue, as a process of elimination.

    #15734
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    Aimdy @mistsoul
    My Robox is a Blue Commercial Version

    @richardgreenwald sometimes if you completely uninstall the current installation and clear the folders then do a fresh install it helps with AM. Just make sure that you back up anything you want to save if you do so.

    There is a trick to make the error messages stop, but unfortunately it is just that it won’t technically fix the problem so it is only good for when the software says that there is a slip but you know that there is actually nothing wrong because it still prints fine when resumed. For example when printing t-glase with the old AM I never had slip errors, but with the newer AM I had slips all the time, however most of the time it continued to print fine after simply resuming.

    Some info on how to reset the trip threshold and set it higher can be found below, i suspect that Cel has been set lower than what it was in the previous AM versions. Again as explained above, this won’t help you if you have a mechanical issue causing the slip, it will just ignore the slip and the print will eventually fail, but it is still something good to know and to have.

    http://www.cel-robox.com/forums/topic/filament-slip/

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    #15737
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    click @click
    My Robox is a Green Kickstarter Limited Edition

    @richardgreenwald still - that shouldn’t prevent you raising ticket. You won’t be in worse position if you do so - printer will still be semi-functional and that won’t prevent you trying to sort out issue yourself. Only thing you’ll do is give CEL chance to look at your issue.

    As for AM - I don’t mind finding out exact steps for you to try.

    Aside of that @mistsoul ‘s suggestion is quite spot on…

    #15746
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    BHudson @bhudson
    My Robox is a Green Kickstarter Beta

    @richardgreenwald I get constant slipping with PLA. I haven’t used ABS for months, so I can’t tell you about that. But if you are getting slipping with PET such as T-Glase, the feed rate may be too high. I have good luck with the T-Glase settings that I have posted here multiple times. If you are using ColorFabb _XT I also have a profile posted here that I use daily with no issues. Other PET may require modifications.

    I am not affiliated with CEL; I operate two Betas and one Production Robox.
    #15755
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    Omega64 @omega64
    My Robox is a Blue Commercial Version

    @bhudson You get constant slipping with PLA on all of your 3 Robox printers?

     

    #15758
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    BHudson @bhudson
    My Robox is a Green Kickstarter Beta

    @omega64 I get constant slippage to the point that I cannot print on my two Beta printers. I am not sure why, but it seems to have something to do with the CEL PLA swelling in the head feed and jamming. The production printer seems to work better but still has skipping, but it works. I can print with CEL PLA in the production printer, I just wince a lot and get the skipping error.

    It seems to be related to the PLA. I have better luck with ColorFabb PLA/PHA blend filaments. But PLA sucks, so I don’t use it except for calibrations because the calibrations require PLA.

    I have almost completely changed to PET because of this problem. It is stronger, more flexible, more reliable, better for overhangs, about the same price or half the price depending on the provider, and is much better at bridging. It sticks to the bed easily, doesn’t warp, and doesn’t need to be kept in a humidity-controlled box here in Arizona. It can be had in both translucent and opaque colors. It also doesn’t sag if left in the car during the summer.

    I am not affiliated with CEL; I operate two Betas and one Production Robox.
    #15759
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    Omega64 @omega64
    My Robox is a Blue Commercial Version

    What calibrations *need* PLA? And why?

    I noticed that the XY Offset Calibration worked better with PLA than ABS (both by CEL), specifically the fine nozzle part wasn’t adhering well with ABS. Do you refer to this or the other calibrations? (I assume the other possible one is Nozzle Opening, as Nozzle Height can be performed even without any filament loaded).

    Some days ago I have ordered 5 reels of T-Glase (the full color set), I can’t wait to start using it, thank you for the (past and present) insights on this material. It’s also cheaper and simpler for me to obtain than valid alternatives such as MadeSolid PET+ or colorFabb XT.

    Cheers,
    Fabio

    #15794

    Richard Greenwald @richardgreenwald
    My Robox is a Blue Commercial Version

    Thank you Aimdy for the link on how to change the slippage factor, I changed the slippage factor from 10, which was what AM was programed to, to 35, and I have not had any slippage errors since, and the prints are coming out fine.

    As to the grayed out areas of the custom print profiles, I completely removed AM from the computer, and re-installed it fresh from CEL, everything is still grayed out, and I still can’t make a profile

    #15795
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    Aimdy @mistsoul
    My Robox is a Blue Commercial Version

    @richardgreenwald glad it did the trick, for the grayed out portions you may need to create a ticket. I have not used AM in over a month as my printer is still down so I cannot check it to see if I have the same issue, however one way around while you wait for Cel to provide you a fix, would be to edit the profiles manually with notepad, you could create several notepads with the different alterations in profile that you like to use and have them handy to load in AM that way. You can easily tweak them everytime you want to make a change then save and reload AM to have them available in the software environment.

    Moh
    #15796
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    poju @poju
    My Robox is a Blue Commercial Version

    When i got my robox i never had slippage with CEL pink PLA. Then new generation of AM came and pink worked will. I ran out of pink and installed CEL white pla, thats when i saw my first slippage error. Soon after head blowed seals. With second head i had lot of slippage if i changed print speed up or down from 1x. 1x was usable enough, but in over night prints i was always worried. Ran out of CEL PLA so i changed to some unbranded PLA and things was pretty much same. Latest version of AM came, but soon after i blowed seals from second head. Got ,according to reseller, improved head and i had none slippage errors since that.

     

    Ive had so many material changes, AM versions and heads that i cant tell what affects to what, but im happy now, eaven quality of prints is improved (second head was worst). Anyway i hope someone get something out of my babble :)

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